Sharon - you make my point 'What seems instinctive to a keyboard player and common sense is a source of confusion to a non keyboard player' when you learned piano as a child it seemed the natural way to visualise notes.

As an example, playing F#major scales on a piano is difficult; on a guitar using closed position scales it is no different to any other scale.

What you seem to be saying is 'So you want to play the guitar? OK let's learn piano first...

Stu