Roger, you are a tedious mono-maniacal bore. I drop into Mudcat very rarely these days. I saw this title. Hard on the heels (& you'd want a sprinter's stop-watch to split them) of my first thought("Shambles will be on this thread") came the second - "Shambles started this thread".

Lo & behold...

Tired old drum, tired old drummer, no-one wants to listen...