Good analogy, Bill: We don't want to be in the situation where someone sings "You're a good old wagon, Daddy but you done broke down."

Shambles only offers two choice by his own admission: Listen to his incessant whining for EVER, or ban him. The third choice, Change things to be the way he wants it to be will never happen.

Shambles is prepared to keep this up until he is too old to see his computer screen. If he won't go voluntarily, then it seems to me it's time to pull the plug on his membership. In the long run, though, that's Max's call, not ours. If it was by popular vote, he'd be "long gone, son-of-a gunnin'"

Jerry