Here is where part of us is, Bill. The part that is centered in this physical body, and the part that associates itself consciously only with an ego it built around that temporary physical body.

I don't think that is all of what we are. You do. Therein lies our debate. All paths to enlightenment (and there are many) are concerned with getting past the limited consciousness that identifies itself only with the limitations of the mortal body-mind construct.

Janie, your last post was very well said.

"it can be very important to distinquish between what is belief and what is fact" Absolutely! And we all begin trying to distinguish that at a very young age. I was one of the first kids in my age group, for instance, to decide that the "Santa Claus" story simply had to be mythological, because it didn't jibe at all well with a whole lot of known facts! I was a very logical and observant kid, and have remained so, I can assure you.