Doug, you could have stated that in your first post. It reads like a troll. Yes, we can discuss without rancour, esp. if you are clear about it from the outset.

Would you like to hear, once again, about my son-in-law who scares the security guards at Wal-Mart, who put their hands on their guns when he walks by because he is a BIG, BLACK man? Or, how about my relative who is gay, taunted by punks as he walks what should be a safe city street for all? One night, the chalk outline of a *dead* body was drawn on the sidewalk outside his apt. Or, remember the old "the only good Indian is a dead Indian?"

It doesn't matter what group one might choose to "profile" it will always be wrong, a generalization unworthy of a "democracy."

Mitakuye Oyasin (We are all related)

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