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Thread #94005 Message #1819400
Posted By: GUEST,Nick
26-Aug-06 - 10:34 AM
Thread Name: BS: Israel used cluster bombs
Subject: RE: BS: Israel used cluster bombs
Variousb people keep on talking about Hezbollah 'making attacks from civilian areas'.
1) many of those civilians are (or were, the dead ones) hezbollah's neighbours, freinds, realtions or family. Hezbollah live among them generally, just as is the case in any guerilla war. In Irealnd, the IRA lived amongst the civilian population, because it was DRAWN FROM that population, even if some members of the IRA had come from outside areas. To say 'Hezbollah hides behind civilians' is to paint a picture of Hezbollah arriving from outer space to settle amongst these people who were previously living untroubled lives (apart from when they were being invaded by Israel back in the 80s). It is a false picture.
2) The Hezbollah are among civilians BECAUSE the war id being fought in their homeland, in southern Lebanon. If the war was being fought on the other hand in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem etc., then the IDF would be fighting back from among ITS own people. Many IDF army bases are built among the civilian population. If the war was taking place well inside the state of Israel and the IDF was fighting back from its cities and settlements, would we say that the IDF was hiding behind its civilian population, or would we say that Israel had been invaded by Hezbollah and was defending itself because its civilians were under attack?
BTW:
BBRuce: what you said was that you didn't say that the IDF called ALL the houses. Exactly. So we agree that the IDF didn't call all the houses. I'd just go further and say I don't believe they called any. But at least we both agree they didn't call SOME. Go back and read what you wrote yourself.
Re. your statement:
"But I think that at this stage you must admit there isn't even much logic to the argument the IDF called the buildings etc.,"
"Totally unsupported statement. You have shown nothing of the sort"
Yes, I have. I have supported it with logical argument. But if you don't understand logical argument, then it won't be much help for me to add more of the same.
You, on the other hand still have to furnish proof that the IDF called houses to protect the civilians (other than one or two show houses to present a humanitarian face to the world).
Thanks for clarifying your stance on whether Israel is a terrorist state in actions. I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
BBruce: Further: I have managed to find a Hezbollah website. At least I'm fairly certain it's Hezbollah. But, like the site, I would have to say the Hezbollah site does seem a bit biased / partisan. But I suppose the best thing to do is read 'em all and try your own conclusions from this tangled mess. Here's the link: