"Answer to Ian P. you have done the same with me, likewise your thinking is not profound." No I haven't, and you are disputing a claim I haven't made. I was answering your original post about your claim, not claiming anything myself. My post was an answer, not a proposition, a reply to a point, not a point in itself. But I know you'll just continue in the same vein, saying nothing in particular but just trying to wrong-foot others, so I won't bother wasting any more of my energy on this thread.