The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #94304   Message #1826576
Posted By: Lighter
04-Sep-06 - 10:22 AM
Thread Name: Stan Hugill - the real words?
Subject: RE: Stan Hugill - the real words?
It surprises me that some (though not all) of the final verses given above to "A-Roving" appeared around 1970 in Harold Hart's "Complete Immortalia," a collection notorious for "modernized" texts. The coy post-facto banter with the "maid" appears in no other version.

Did Hart ever meet Stan ? Did Stan ever read Hart's book ? Was Stan continually adding to and "improving" his shanties into the 1980s ?
I don't get it.

BTW, if you turn the volume all the way up on John Huston's "Moby Dick" 1956), you can hear A. L. Lloyd singing, to the "A-Roving" tune,

   I kissed her once, I kissed her twice,
   And [?found that she was cold as ice].

I can't quite make out the second line. It seems to be the sole other appearance of the pattern "I Xed her once, I Xed her twice" in this song. Again, who got what from whom and when is an interesting question.

The Intro to "Shanties from the Seven Seas" tells us that over the years Stan had committed his songs not to paper but to memory. Only Stan's manuscript would show the form the shanties had for him fifty years ago. (The bawdy ones may have been the hardest to forget and therefore the closest to the way he'd heard them.)