Grab, your suggestion that somehow folks aren't smart enough to figure out what is proper and what is not smacks, with all due respect, of the same arrogance that the conservative Christians and the Taliban exhibit. I don't understand how it is that you feel that you or anybody can make these determinations.

This is a pretty good example of what the thread is really about, isn't it? Call it yin and yang or whatever, but when competing values get out of balance you get some mighty righteous folks who believe they can make the choices for others. They are very convinced that theirs is the sole path to enlightenment.