Just got back online and I was about to make one comment but first let me make another. It was never my intent to ridicule anyone's belief here. I offer once again an apology to anyone I offended. On the other hand, THIS is one of those occasions where I'd love to have all of these thread participants together in a room and talking about this. The forum format can be both enlightening and frustrating as a means of communication. I didn't see it working well here until we got down to Permanent Guest Russ and his Guest responders.

(Now the other comment I started to make. I was offline and may be again as I screwed up wifi'ing the house. This is because I'm a dumbass, but that's been obvious for years. I don't have it right yet but at least stuff is working.....for awhile anyway. The other comment goes to Guest Russ.)

RUSS....You are once again as always my favorite permanent Guest. I just got done slogging through this thread and another it spawned. I came back here because this discussion is finally where it should be and we owe that to you. I doubted as I was reading this that anyone could bring smoething good and informative here but you did asking the right questions and getting excellent responses from our other Guest(s). A great response only happens when the questions are right. Good job and my thanks to you and the Guest(s) obviously as well.