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Thread #94724   Message #1838190
Posted By: Bunnahabhain
19-Sep-06 - 08:08 AM
Thread Name: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
1.) One month after the towers fell, there was STILL molten steel in the basements of extowers 1, 2, & 7. Can anyone explain this to me... using only steel, jet fuel, concrete, and an hour?

>>>>>Molten was used by far too many witnesses, reporters to describe merely hot enough to be glowing, ie "Molten steel beams were pulled out" Molten is a liquid, a steel beam is a solid.

2.)The amount of jet fuel left to burn after the initial explosions was insufficient to melt or detemper steel in an hour or so. Black jet fuel smoke indicates a burning temp of approx 500F... About the same as broiling bacon?

>>>>>Not all of the fire has to be at the same temperature. Maybe the floors at the edges of the fire were not as hot as the centre of it

a.)Many of the fuel fires were under control or out before the buildings fell.
b.)Buildings were designed to withstand a direct hit from a "fully loaded" 707.
>>>> Already answered

3.)The steel webwork around the outside of the buildings retained much of it's strength after the crashes... due to it's interlaced design. Like a pencil through mosquito netting?
>>>> Until the fires softened it, so it lost most of its strength.

4.)Does anyone anywhere have even a single report of a steel structure falling down for any reason? Three fell on that one day.
>>>>> Google "Tacoma narrows bridge collapse"

5.)Explosions are documented, and are reported to have caused injury and death... in the basement of the towers... after the impact of planes, and before the towers fell. Hmmm.
>>>>>> At the base of the lift/elavator shafts. Like what might happen if a large, heavy object falls dozens of stories.

6.)Dust... that is uncharacteristic of a building that just 'fell down'... Dust with EXTREMELY small particle size... complete with 'Pyroclastic flows' that are associated with 'large extremely hot explosions' like volcanic eruptions... and some others...

>>>> All sorts of holes in this. Burn concrete in a hot fire, and it will crumble like a biscuit if you put it under stress. Dust will naturally sort itself. The coarse stuff travels the least distance, and falls out fastest, leaving the finer part to tarvel further, and settle on top of the coarse.
'Pyroclastic flows' is simply a term which has been abused by someone who them on the Discovery channel. You might as well say anyone with an accoustic guitar is a Folk musician, just beacuse they happen to look like one


7.)Norad 'Stand down'-Cheney in the Bunker-Rumsfeld in comand-Bush in stupor-airtraffic-war games-pentagon plane crash drills-plane wings missing-Many warnings from around the world for months totally ignored-ad seemingly infinitum ... I'm sorry... this stuff was just too thick for my flu-addled mind to follow... But 'common sense' tells me that... um... well, let's just move on to number 8... O.K?
>>>> Don't know about this.
   

8.)Reputed reports of 'military type explosives' residue left on some steel after 9/11... steel was recycled out of this country with little analysis... there are many photographed and video'd instances... flashes if you will, and power was supposedly gone for blocks around the buildings... That look like welding... like some say... thermite reactions... Massive explosions (2.1 & 2.3 on the rictor scale for buildings 2 and 1 respectively measured seismicly about 20 miles away) seconds before towers one and two started to fall. Yikes!

>>>>Heat alone will not cook off conventional explosives. The fires would have triggered any thermite present in a matter of minutes, not nearly an hour.
Selective interpretaition of the sesmic records will show you anything, if you choose where you crop and scale them carefully enough.

9.)Many confirmed reports of people hearing explosions ... throughout the buildings... before and as they fell. Hmmmm... Were there any powerburns that day?

>>>>>What did they actually hear? Actual explosions, or loud bangs they described as explosions. Loud bangs that could be large slabs of concrete and steel hitting eact other hard.

                              But there is no other way to say this...
    PULL!
10.)Many of the men most in charge of this country, declared several years before 9/11... that what their 'New World Plan' (or whatever it was called) needed most in order to be executable in a timely fashion (ie. in their lifetimes), was a catalysing moment... a "Pearl Harbor" type incident. (no anectdote needed)

>>>>> Editorial statment, not a real query. There's now how here, only why