ron - no, i don't start with a conclusion - many folks come to faith without first having the conclusion you think they try to fit in. However, it is weird how folks with faith are the ones with the onus of proving things. We're the "illogical" ones, etc. However, as you say, you don't have to prove anything. you just have to live how you please. ah, what an easy route. yet, you are starting with a conclusion and voiding all questions that might change that conclusion. Question, ron, question -search, and learn - for those who are interested in "truth" usually find it at the end of their quest. Those who aren't usually stick to their foregone conclusion of "religion is faith only and superstitious at that."