spaw - where did happiness come into the equation? happy or unhappy is a whole 'nother can of worms. But, wait up, you didn't explain one thing, which is when you say live a life of ethics, who is the judge of ethics. I suppose we don't need to "know" that either is we are truly agnostic for we choose how we live and we don't need to know why and how to live. You can take that route - that is the beauty of free choice. And hurt feelings - why should my feelings be hurt if you choose to live a life of "not knowing"? That has reprecussions for you, not me.