Someone from Detroit referred me in 1997, when I was looking for lyrics to an Irish song. I posted without joining until 1998. I came at the tail end of the first golden age (Anyone seen Shula lately?). I remember when Spaw came here, I remember when kat came here. I think that after Max, Bert, Dick, and Susan, the oldest active members are probably Alice in Montana, and Bill. LaMarca has been here damn near as long, but not as active as the others. Anyone been her longer than BillD or Alice?