richard bridge: I volunteered at a hospital for unwanted babies. There were babies who were born to drug-addicted mothers. The babies were surely "innocent" not having made the choice to do drugs. However, there is cause and consequence in the world. Hence, wrong things done set in to motion sometimes horrible reprecussions. That is why this concept works spiritually too.
Bill D. You still did not explain how there can be any ethics that end up universal. If you and I were to discuss whether or not that woman in Florida should have been disconnected from life support with our fellow Americans, you would get a very divided set of opinions on what is "ethical". Now as for composers, did you interview the dead ones too. However, I hear your argument, so my question is this - those cave paintings - you didn't interview their artists, we don't know their artists exist, etc. Yet, you think it was done by folks. Why? Because it makes logical sense. Even more. If you had a secret admirer who left things at your door and did things for you, paid your tab at the bar - but remained invisible (because that is the nature of a "secret" admirer) would you logically assume no one was behind it. No. Because through the actions you would have figured out there was someone behind it. Same thing with the world -through G-d's actions, we can understand the concept of G-d. Now what I think everyone has a problem with is that everyone has a cartoon concept of G-d (is he a man, or a woman...etc). Infinite means beyond our comprehension, with no bodily attributes. The limit of our understanding of G-d is limited to actions and rules of the world and thereby understanding the nature of the "giver" by what is "given"