Rabbi Sol----exactly right. Only the person within knows the color of the wallpaper. The person outside can only guess. Since there is no one inside --that we know of---unless you are going to believe in someone who came down here and said God was his dad, and told you the color of the paper---we are back at sqare one again.

So the larger question then is---Belief (faith--I use them interchangeably)or just saying---I don't know and could not care less about the color of wallpaper.   We can only know what we see and what we can process in our own minds---and I am not using the term "god given minds"---just minds--brains if you will. Let us say evolved minds over the centuries.

That said, on a lighter note. The Kosher Chickens. We have come a long way from the plucked little buggers vs the traif lil ole pullets to this deep and, frankly, repetitious discussion of theology.

I did learn, though, why ice floats. That is a plus.   And it is always good to learn a logical explanation.   By the way, ice floats and iron sinks--so, Grose please explain why steel boats stay afloat, why cement boats can float, why submarines can do both. I know the answer---and, it ain't god. Does the word science and/or physics ring a bell? The mind is an amzing thing---hate to waste it. We all got it genetically and then improved it through environment.

But---I am guess the Kosher Chickens are lonely since we have forgotten about them and the vendor has spend 3 yrs now in the Pen.

Bill Hahn