Thanks Shambles, you proved my point "A" - they never admitted to failure.

And despite our best efforts, Mudcat is no longer a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion. So, I think something has to be done. Ebbie's suggestion about putting Secret Santa in the music section is a very simple answer to one major objection I had to members-only BS posting - duh, why didn't I think of that?

So, short of members-only posting, what can we do to bring peace to this place? I'd rather have another solution, but I haven't been able to think of one.
-Joe Offer-

I know that there are no bullet points being used here but even you should be able to understand.

Are you asking our forum to accept that the words And despite our best efforts, AND what can we do to bring peace to this place? I'd rather have another solution, but I haven't been able to think of one. - are actually words claiming success of these measures?

Perhaps in an attempt to be more positive - you could make a stab at answering the question posed by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team?

So, short of members-only posting, what can we do to bring peace to this place?