Not fishing, Clinton. I just get tired of you jumping into threads and pointing out the disdain you have for others point of view. There is rarely an attempt to be part of a discussion. You simply tell us all how we should think, and then ridicule anyone who doesn't agree. Your post above shows it in spades. You refer to others deeply held beliefs as delusions. A person of intellectual depth probes the arguments, tries to understand the other side, and presents arguments to the counter. They don't purposely seek to offend and belittle. Read George P's posts for an example. But disdain and scorn is precisely what you do, and it is why Max invited you to leave.

So you think stealing is sometimes OK. Is this what you will teach your children when the time is right? What will you teach them is the distinction as to when it is OK?

Values have to have a certain amount of absolutism to them. Life will soon enough teach children the grey areas. It seems to me that a religious base, even when tempered by the views of such as Wolfgang or George, is a far better thing for kids than no training in these areas at all. No morality based training leads to situational morality.

Mick