Isn't that the nub of it then, ake? Who gets to make the determination as to what is harmful? I say that the values I teach my children, and the values that I ask them to learn are positive. You say they are negative. Who gets to choose? I do. They are my children. I will raise them as I see fit. For you to change that dynamic you will have to prove that I am an unfit parent for teaching those values.

I repeat. The values I raise my children with are mine to choose.
And you are as strident in your atheism as you accuse me of being in my beliefs. You talk about exlusion in the church as you talk of excluding me from teaching my children my beliefs. I believe that is called intolerance, as well.

Mick