This was a good discussion for a while, but it got noisy and strayed - inevitably, probably - into "is religion good or bad", which was never the subject. To go back to the original issues, I still maintain that for JWs to drag a kid canvassing is exploitation and a sales technique (not even "protection"), even as I acknowledge their right to proselytise their own children.

Full stop. Off to Greece with the family for a long weekend. Me (and my penis) are outta here.

Come along, penis. Head high - we didn't lose.

Love to all.