It's no good Grab, his record is well and truly stuck. No point in trying reason, irony, sarcasm or thermite - the man's just about impregnable to anything but one of Spaw's more personal insultments, and I'm not going to stoop that low.

Gervase there is nothing personal in this for me. I have not called you any names. You have a view and I have a view. Nothing that you have said has suceeded in changing my view (very much anyway).

But I do think that it should be possible for anyone with a view to be able to argue and fight for their view without involving others or needing to appeal for any like-minded to gang-up and shout-down any opposing view.

It is that aspect of this argument that has been so devisive for our country and there is no need to continue that approach on this discussion forum.

That the poster you refer to by name and who is seen and currently encouraged to name-call on our forum - is sad - but this is perhaps not an example that others should feel they should follow (or even refer to)?