Sounds familiar, Rapaire...but my daughter says that nobody ever yelled at her when she went through Basic at Ft. Jackson a few years ago. She did manage to metamorphose from a slob to a neat freak. I think that the current concept of allowing recruits who don't (or can't, or don't want to) meet standards to resign during training is a good one. That eliminates the need to find some kind of a hole to jam the square pegs into.