Re: Shambles and his detractors (and the defenders he has picked up), I would rather keep that on the other side of the fence. The same thought has occurred to me and it is a fascinating thread (except when it gets boring) but I don't think I want to get to 85 Billion that badly, and getting to 85 Billion has become my all consuming passion. It's worse (or better) than on-line gambling. Did I use too many parenthetical comments (they can be annoying)?