So do I take it that we don't want mud-slingers on the 85 billion thread? If this is the case I think Peace ought to make this clear on his 'Ne'er-do-wells' thread, so we don't mislead the mud-slingers who are considering posting here. I mean once we've got them it wouldn't then be fair to tell them to get lost would it? I might feel obliged to defend their right to sling, even when I detest what they are slinging. No, this matter definitely needs clearing up, and fast.