So Don, no matter how bad the Democrats get, you are going to continue to support them, because you agree with their positions more than you agree with the Republican positions?

Where is the integrity of that position? I fail to see it.

Go to Moyers on America. Click on the left where it says "The Net @ Risk". Read and watch and listen. How the Clinton/Gore administration sold out our citizenry's public interest in controlling the airwaves. Read about the Democratic lobby hacks who are preaching the necessity of the end of net neutrality.

Just where do you draw the line, Don? When is the party so corrupt, that you morally can't support it any more?

The problem is, you are confusing winning elections with changing the political system. If all you care about is who is going to win the elections and run Congress or the White House, you are supporting the status quo. If you care enough about changing the political system, you vote to change the status quo. That is why independent third party political parties matter and are important. They don't need to gain majority party status. Jesse Ventura proved that.

Single candidates can make a difference. I said a long time ago, I was going to support Russ Feingold for president. He is a Democrat. He is one of a very few Democrats I will vote for. But then, I vote for candidates based upon their positions on issues, not party affiliation. That makes me an independent voter. Despite my loathing of certain politicians, I will not cast "a vote against" a person or a party. I always cast my vote as "a vote for" a person.

It is an important distinction, especially for us independent voters.

You honestly may not understand that distinction, Don. I realize your hatred for certain elements of the Republican party may have blinded you to political reasoning of independent voters. That is true for a lot of Democrats in the US right now. They are so blinded by hatred for the Bush Republicans, they see anyone who doesn't share their electoral strategy, like Nader, as an enemy of the people.

I'll say this again. Our country is going down the tubes because of people like you, Don. People who think winning elections is all we need to do to regain control of our political system. It is much more complicated than that, buy most Democrats I talk to these days don't care. They just want to win elections. They just want to beat the Republicans, and punish Bush and his followers. They really don't seem very concerned about the nation, and it being of the brink. They continue to insist that there should be but one goal: to win in November, and throw the Republicans out of power.

That isn't what valuing democracy is about. That is just plain cheering for your team.