That question has no relevance. What does starting a different forum have to do with this one?    Change can still occur here.

It is of course perfectly relevent. As for some time now, the first response encouraged to be made to any poster who would dare to make a suggestion for any improvement (that the few didn't not want implemented) - would be to tell that poster that if they did not like our forum - they were welcome to go elsewhere.

It is the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team who is publicly saying the following - And despite our best efforts, Mudcat is no longer a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion.

If this is the case - should he and those who agree with this be the ones to go elsewhere to indulge in the (questionable) merits of a private members club? For if our forum IS still judged to be a place to goof off and have a good discussion - there is no reason to change it - is there?

So is it or not?

We are back to our football game where the referees, are not satisfied with making up their own rules as they go along, being able to send players off but who now wish to kick the ball and join the teams and want to turn it into a diffrent ball game altogether.

Perhaps it is time to stop humouring such referees, accept that they will NEVER be satisfied and start enjoying the game without them?