Roger's posts won't ever do anything but irritate people. If you tnink you know what he wants, you're probably doing a lot of guessing and assuming. It isn't reasonable to think he's really trying to change anything if all his posts do is aggravate the people who could do the changing.

For the record, I think the persistent Roger-baiters are as obnoxious as he is, as were Martin Gibson's. Some of them were the same, and there seems to be a base of folks who like playing with trolls.

The problem is that all of this trolling/being trolled stuff is disruptive to the site. It's like someone who's dancing naked on the roadside and shouting at cars. People slow down to gawk. People yell back at him and tell him to knock it off, and others slow down to yell at THEM. Pretty soon you've got a huge traffic jam.

Now, forget should/shouldn't. Forget blame. Look for the easiest, most effective solution. It's the gawkers/yellers who make the traffic jam, so it's their fault. But it's ridiculous to try to remove all of them, especially since others will keep coming and do the same thing. The naked, dancing, ranting guy isn't forcing anyone to block traffic, so the jam isn't really his fault.

But if you remove him, you end the traffic jam.

So Max posted a while ago inviting Shambles to leave. A reasonable person would have toned things down and hoped Max would change his mind. Either Roger Gall didn't get it, or he did and is perhaps thinking if Max wants him gone bad enough, Max can MAKE him go...

...whoops.