Ron, you can see in these last few days a prime example of how this goes. This poster will post a flawed analogy, or create a flawed premise, and then get you all to debate it until you realize that you have been duped. This is one of the many behaviours that have been going on for years. You have also seen, and been the recipient of another of his unacceptable behaviours, that being his intolerance for any deviation from his absolute view of how things should be.

Here are a couple of more examples of setting a false premise:

.... they will understandably follow the example of posting behavious seen to set by our 'moderators'

This shows the lack of respect Shambles has for the intelligence of posters, as if they are led by us. Proof to the contrary is how some posters react when we post our opinions.

....perhaps you would also agree that our 'moderators' do not appear to much like the forum that results from their posting example being followed.....

Of course I wouldn't agree. If the moderators didn't like our forum, in the main, they wouldn't stay. I can't speak for the rest, but I love this forum, but am very disturbed when someone bullies others, and covers it up with a phoney "nice" demeanor.

And perhaps you could explain why a few posters so vocally support the continuation of 'best efforts' that the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing team has publicly stated have not been able to make Mudcat - a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion

Simple. This is because the owner has not, as of yet, been able to take time from living a life, raising children, getting married, making a living, etc., to deal completely with this. Furthermore, he keeps this thing alive out of his own pocket, assisted to a small extent by contributions from some of us. But Shambles, locked in his little world, can't see that and continues to try and make this in his vision. He contributes nothing financially, very little musically anymore, and tries to tear down the structure that Max has in place which allows Max to keep it going. I know this is hard to see from the mental place that Shambles is locked in, but Max has other things in this world. Mudcat, on a scale of the most important things to occupy his time, probably finishes a poor 6th or 7th to the family and making a living, and if he weren't so committed should be about 20th. Shambles inability to see this, along with his being a self centered twit, is why I am so intolerant.

Mick