Old philosophy major friend, that was a beautiful assessment. T'was more than interesting...it may be the best thing on this topic I've read in the myriad discussions, past or present. Very well done and I say that with all sincerity...no Spaw sarcasm or crude jokes. I read almost all the threads and on this subject, I think I've read every post and often contributed, but generally of late have found this whole thing more than "teedjus." I know that you have often been worn out on this too, but that post you should bookmark (or perhaps I will) and when this subject comes up again as it inevitably will, zap back to it with a blue clicky.