No Sorcha, they are 2 different things ICQ detials can be found at http://www.icq.com. The 2 things are currently in use and the ICQ one seems more suitabe for Radio times. If you do decide to join this one, you also need to join the Active List in question which is 62415725 and needs to be added as an Active List rather than as a user. I appologise for the need for bith services but currently it seems to provide the most workable solution for our needsJon