Little Hawk, I have learned many things while visiting this thread for the last few days and when I return to the 85 billion thread (for return I shall) it will be as a more humble person. No longer shall I threaten to quit the thread forever unless I am begged to return and it doesn't work anyway. No longer shall I see this thread as a rival to the 85 billion thread as Whizzer was to Chips. Instead I shall see the 5000 thread as a spiritual sanctuary in difficult times and as a teacher of hard but important lessons. I shall also see it as a way of getting you and Winona together. I am a reformed character and this is my testimony. Sniff