I consider myself to be left of centre on most issues but I have some real problem accepting that Kyoto is the salvation of any of us and I think the issue of its rejection is overblown. I think that we should make a real worldwide effort to reduce the crap that we dump upon mother nature, not just because of global warming, but for many other more obvious reasons. One part of the Kyoto Accord that I see as pure hypocracy is polluting nations buying credits from the third world, so that they can continue to pump out pollution. This money then would probably end up in a Swiss bank account of some damn dictator in Africa and we would be paying the shot while industry continues to belch. Pdq is right in his belief that we can do little to effect climate change, and to think otherwise is just accepting bad science. Climate change is a part of nature, always has been and always will be, from droughts to floods to ice ages. Mankind throughout antiquity has been a nomad who changes location with the changing climate. Today we have put in place everything from national borders to fixed infastructure that makes it much more difficult to relocate. There is also far too many of us and we must accept that as well. Not only is the worlds population too high but it is concentrated into small areas. Of course this also concentrates the pollution. Capitalism has become very short sighted and only worries up to the point of the next dividend and greed rules. Koyota started with good objectives but was castrated by the "Global Economy" long before it was signed. We must go back and start with a clean slate!