Don't tell others how to run their own clubs

I have never told anyone how to run a venue. It's not what I do. I've made suggestions when asked, such as who to book. I have opinions on how venue management has to move on to accommodate changing economic, cultural and artistic considerations. It isn't 1961 any more.

inflam[M]atory comments

None from me. The "care in the commmunity cases who regard the 'f*lk club' as their own personal drop-in centre" was from a performer in a previous thread on this very subject which I found particularly apposite.All clubs (and I've been to 100s, past and present) seem to have them, probably even yours (which I have never visited and so have not, obviously, passed comment on it except to remark that it was probably fine. Everybody's had (probably more than one) night out from hell at the Rat & Cockroach with its filthy back room. The remark about those who like to keep their wallets shut was addressed at those who whinge at the very idea of paying enough at the door to guarantee an adequate fee for artists. Didn't (necessarily) mean you at all. It's a case of 'if the cap fits'. And pensioners are ever so well off nowadays with concessionary entrance, free travel and £200 p.a. to spend on CDs. Not to acknowledge that is extraordinarily churlish.

I have never said I don't like clubs generally. I have stated, not for the first time, how they need to change drastically with the times. And that I deplore the cliquey, unwelcoming attitude prevailing in some (actually many), naming none specifically. You'll know who you are. Or perhaps not. And maybe that's the problem. All power to those setting up the alternative circuit.