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Thread #70688   Message #1893906
Posted By: Muttley
26-Nov-06 - 08:57 AM
Thread Name: Folklore: Braveheart...again
Subject: RE: Folklore: Braveheart...again
I'd like to add a few comments (corrections) to the above.
Jack Halyard wrote that the Black Douglas died in the Holy Land.
Incorrect.

THE "Black Douglas" died at Stirling Castle. Apparently he was an arrogant, self-serving and 'superior' bugger who could offend people just by walking past their house - a mile away!
He was summoned to an audience with the King and took all of about 20 minutes to aggravate and then infuriate his monarch with his superciliousness and arrogance and following a particularly offensive comment, the King (can't recall which one - but iI'm certain it wasn't Robert the Bruce) drew his dirk and sliced him from crotch to breastbone. A coupe of nobles present joined in and also cut him down as did guards and his body was subsequently dumped from a window of the room they were in. The part of the grounds where the body landed are, to this day, called the Black Douglas Garden - it's in the official Stirling Castle guide - audio AND written.

Jim McLean is more correct in his rendition:
"The basic history in Braveheart is correct. Wallace rose up against the English invaders, his wife was murdered by the English sheriff, he beat the English at the battle of Stirling Bridge, he refused the Scottish crown and was eventually executed horribly by the English on a charge of treason which was obviously incorrect .. he was not an English subject. His 'screwing' of the wife of the homosexual King Edward the second of England and his meeting with Bruce were, I reckon, flung in for dramatic and humerous effect ...."

The truly horribly-wrong bits were that Wallace orchestrated the Battle of Stirling Bridge - he did NOT turn up later and goad the English into a fight. As well as which, in the movie, they omitted to show the BRIDGE. The bridge was the crux of the whole battle.

I'm not certain, though, Jim that Wallace was ever offered the crown. He wouldn't have taken it anyway as he was loyal to John Balliol (the crowned king in exile in France) - which was why the charge of treason was bollocks as well. He was fighting FOR his rightful king not against him - Edward was a usurper. His wife was murdered but that's not what caused his rampage / rebellion - she was murdered (executed if you are English) because she abetted Williams escape after he evaded capture following his brother-in-law's hanging - done to lure him out of hiding to comfort his wife and her grief-stricken family (which he did).

Jamis also correct re the screwing the wife of Edward II - in real life, she was only about 5 years old when William was executed !!!
He never chased English knights, confronting "The Bruce" following the disaster at Falkirk - that was Hollywood. In fact, it was Bruce who rode onto the Falkirk battlefield to extricate Wallace (forcibly) from Edward's troops. Bruce's and Comyn's forces were supposed to join Wallace at Falkirk, but Bruce arrived as the battle raged and Comyn withdrew before the battle, betraying Wallace and his army to Edward for lands in England. Comyn was eying off the Scottish crown himself

However: For Adolfo's sake - back to the film: The cry of the men after the fort was taken sounds like "McAulish" but is possibly meant to be "McCulich" (which would have been more like it for those days) BUT - - - I rather thought that the men were actually shouting "A-Wallace"
This type of 'chant' was a common one for a victorious clan or warband (or of one going INTO battle)- they would chant the leader's name prefixing it with "a". This would also make more sense as Wallace led that particular fight and his victorious men would have hailed his battle win with HIS name - "A-Wallce; A-Wallace; A-Wallace!"

BTW James - did you ever get around to translating Wallaces "trial declaration" into Scots Gaelic for me?
"How can I be guilty of treason when England is foreign to me?"

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