Not at all Foolestoupe, I just never believe a word Bobert says. Just take a look at his opening post:

"According to soon-to-be Secretary of Defense Gates during his Senate confirmation hearing today, the US is losing the Iraq war..."

Now at NO TIME AT ALL during his Senate confirmation hearing did the soon-to-be Secretary of Defense Robert Gates say anything like - "the US is losing the Iraq war...."

He was asked if he concurred with the current military commanders estimation of the situation - i.e. "We are not winning the war against the insurgents but at the same time we are not losing it" Dr. Robert Gates agreed with that assessment. Different thing entirely to, "the US is losing the Iraq war" and in fact there is a statement there to the effect that the soon-to-be Secretary of Defense Robert Gates believes that the US is NOT losing the Iraq war, or more correctly the war against the insurgents.

But what Bobert has done serves as a good example of where the so-called lies and propaganda claims come from - It's from people reading into something, something that is not there and never was there. They read what they want to see as opposed to what is actually being said. The worst has been the spin put on things by the media in both Britain and in the US.