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Thread #89750   Message #1902854
Posted By: Little Hawk
07-Dec-06 - 06:30 PM
Thread Name: BS: Atheists & morality (from the NY Times)
Subject: RE: BS: Atheists & morality (from the NY Times)
I don't follow your point at all, Mrrzy...

If god is the "energy of life" then what was s/he/it god of before there was life?

Huh? What makes you think that there was a time "before there was life"? What gives you any assurance about that? Do you think life is limited only to this one little planet we live on? Do you think life is limited only to the people, animals, plants, insects, and micro-organisms that we have succeeded in observing on this one little planet? I seriously doubt that. What if atoms themselves are alive? Ever consider that? What if everything is alive in some way?

Or was there no god till a particular molecule formed somewhere in some star/planet system, at which point suddenly there was also god who is the god of us here in the solar system? I have a hard time with that one.

Ha! Yeah, I would have a hard time with that one too. Talk about a silly idea! Look, God is understood in most more advanced spiritual systems to be both "the manifest" and "the unmanifest", meaning that which you can observe as a separate phenomenon, and that which you cannot observe, because it is the totality of all phenomena and all further possibilities, both manifest and not yet manifest.

You're jousting with the idea of a limited God, and that is simply a silly idea in the first place, though it is an idea found in many, many religions. How can that which is symbolic of the infinite BE limited? It can't. The infinite is all things, by definition.

Sounds like atheism is becoming the love that dare not speak its name.

Aw, gee...that's tough, isn't it? Do you walk in fear? Don't worry, no one is going to come and burn you at the stake for not believing in some silly little limited definition of God that you or someone else made up. At least, I'm not going to, anyway. You are 100% safe in my town as an atheist. ;-)

Why not call energy energy and not god?

Why not call it both? What difference does it make? How does it hurt anyone to call energy "God"?