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Thread #97052   Message #1905765
Posted By: Don(Wyziwyg)T
10-Dec-06 - 07:02 PM
Thread Name: Folklore: What are the Motives of the Re-definers?
Subject: RE: Folklore: What are the Motives of the Re-definers?
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Date: 10 Dec 06 - 02:01 PM

It does help to separate the 'what is folk' debate from the 'what is trad' debate.----"

This, to me, is the whole point of the discussion.

In a logical world, what would be the point of having two words to be used in the same sentence, which are synonyms.

Traditional is just what it says on the can, and I don't have a problem with that. It relates to a body of music and song which is still relevant and should be preserved at all costs.

Folk, however, is more than that. It includes, but cannot be limited to, traditional. Otherwise there is no point in talking about the "folk tradition" or "traditional folk".

So, outside of its traditional element, what else is classifiable as "folk"?

That is the point, and the only point, of re-defining the word. It has previously been defined by traditionalists, and used to exclude new compositions entirely from the genre.

Use the phrase "singer/songwriter" to these people, and see the disrespectful, pejorative, and denigratory responses you will get.

I have news for those of that mindset. Singer/songwriters, like other groupings, come in all sorts and sizes, good, bad, and indifferent.

All traditional songs were composed by singer/songwriters, whether we know their names, or not.

I write songs which are, in the main, written in traditional style. They are usually stories in song about the world I live in, which do not fit into any other genre than folk.

I would like one of the "folk is fixed, and cannot be altered" brigade to tell me what exactly I have been producing for the last 40 years, if not folk songs. I wish to hell that my work were definable as pop, I could have been a rich man by now.

I can't quite see what it is that so frightens the folk mafia about new composition. Believe me, if it is all pop or rock, the las thing they would want is a folk club fanbase. Talk about the kiss of death!

Don T.