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Thread #97022   Message #1907613
Posted By: Slag
12-Dec-06 - 02:38 PM
Thread Name: BS: The NEW Red Coats
Subject: RE: BS: The NEW Red Coats
Teribus, et al, re point 1. How true. Consider Emperor Hirohito's roll in WWII, and yet he was considered a god. What is the function of a king then and now? read Fraizer's THE GOLDEN BOUGH. Its seems a little tedious at first but it will change the way you view royalty, mythology and Man's quest for meaning.

On point 2, The European powers were interested in, well of all things, Europe! That England was not engaged in armed conflict anywhere else at the time didn't mean that he military was not deployed elsewhere and engaged in the business of the crown. They were. And England knew that an armed conflict might entice her enemies to seek an advatage against her. England wanted to portray the situation in the Americas as a little dust-up.

England and France both understood that colonial America was a pawn or maybe a better metaphor would be a wild card in their (Europe's) international game of imperialism. Just about everybody got this except for John Q. Adams who was struggling to understand everything. Adams was certainly frustrated with Franklin. Franklin was content to portray the affable, laughable fronteirsman and rouge scholar but when the time was right America became France's trump card and Franklin was our Ace in the Hole, so to speak.

Point 4, LH was right I do believe their was a certain amount smugness and arrogance on the part of Brittan's aristocratic officers but this did not lead to any real decisive advatage for the colonists. All in all, weather, terrean, and bulldog determination all played a much more important role in America's independence.

Point 5. True Teribus. I wish we only had to deal with the tax burden of colonial New England today! England did roll back almost all the taxes we disputed. It really wasn't about taxes. By the time of the Tea Party, agitation was reaching a critical mass and taxation was just a figurehead issue.

point 6. Washington was considered by many as a man of destiny. He may have also held opinion of himself but he also understood that he HAD TO DO THE WORK! He was the only one to wear a uniform to congress. He knew his role. And he knew how to cajole and wheedle the necessities from congress. He understood image and how to portray the Great Struggle. He was the finest man for the job we could have ever hoped to have had.

And in regards to the Red Coats and European style warfare: Uniformity of tactics, of dress, deployemnt, etc. all had to do with communication and intel. No radio in that day, no eye in the sky. The commander had to know how his troops would perform when out of his direct line of sight. He had to be able to see at a distance and discern his troops from the enemy's. He had to be able to spot his lieutenants (an interesting word !) and various sub-officers. I wouldn't down-play the importance of American guerilla tactics in the Revolution. This type of harassment took its toll numerically and psychologically. Yes, Washington looked for an advantageous opprotunity to meet in classical confrontation and best his adversaries. He chose his battles wisely. He new the strength of his troops at most any given time and what his resources were and this, as much as what the enemy was doing dictated or rather severly limited his choices.

There was sympathy for America in England as there was royal linage and common family ties here. I don't think there was ever a clear picture of America as separate from the English other than by physical distance and of course politics.

On your last point Teribus, Our Revolutionary War, in reality WAS a world war. That's why I wanted to use the word "pawn" earlier. We sort of re-adjusted the game. Global imbalances came about which you have summarizered very succinctly, thank you. Brittan did the math and weighed her post-war mass and calculated her position. It would be easier and cheaper to do business with an independant colonial state than to continue this war. Many felt that the US would eventually come back into the fold. They knew the French were only for France and when it was no longer convenient for them, they'd turn on the new upstarts. We were on square one and a multitude of directions lay before us and most if not all of them were fraught with danger. Well, the rest is history and no point of going on about that.

Every age sees itself abreast of the latest, up-to-datest in weapons, tactics, strategies, etc. It's a deception as we look back in time through history that we say "how quaint. "If only they knew what we know today!" What we have and know today is a direct reslut of their then current conditions and like today, nothing was CERTAIN.

Human perception is this: Stimulus, response, memory and anticipation. Period! Our being is the sum total of our memory and history is our cultural memory. A pox on all those who seek to distort, misrepresent or rewrite history. A damnable lot they are as they seek to interfer with our ability to anticipate and direct our future.