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Thread #97176   Message #1911599
Posted By: Teribus
17-Dec-06 - 06:09 AM
Thread Name: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
Point 1 Divis I do not believe I have ever passed over murders committed by anyone.

Point 2 Divis you have been asked to tell this forum about Jean McConville - I have got no desire to discuss the matter with you - what I do want is that Jean McConville's story be told by someone who says he supports the murdering scum that dragged that poor, completely innocent, woman screaming from her house in front of her children, to torture and murder her within 24 hours of her having been beaten senseless by members of the same organisation.

Point 3 Divis you say with what appears to be utter conviction that - "No volunteer went out to shot a child to blame it on the British army EVER" - well here's what Mr P. O'Neill said about it:

Text of Irish Republican Army (IRA) Statement on the Shooting of Kathleen Feeney on 14 November 1973, Quarry Street, Derry, (23 June 2005)

"On 14th November 1973, 14-yearold Kathleen Feeney was shot dead in Quarry Street, Derry.

The IRA in Derry, in a statement, denied that any of its volunteers were responsible for the death of Kathleen Feeney. In a further statement, the IRA in Derry claimed to have carried out an operation against the British Army in retaliation for the death of Kathleen Feeney.

The leadership of Oglaigh na hEireann has been asked by the Feeney family to examine the circumstances surrounding the death of their sister and to publicly acknowledge that she was killed by the IRA.

The IRA leadership agreed to do so. We found, as the Feeney family have always believed, that Kathleen was hit by one of a number of shots fired by an IRA Active Service Unit that had fired upon a British army foot-patrol in the Lecky Road area.

The IRA accepts responsibility for the death of Kathleen Feeney. Our failure to publicly accept responsibility for her death until now has only added to the hurt and pain of the Feeney family.

The leadership of Oglaigh na hEireann wish to apologise unreservedly to the Feeney family for the death of Kathleen and for all the grief that our actions have caused to them."

P O'Neill,
Irish Republican Publicity Bureau, Dublin

The statement from the IRA was released through the 'Derry Journal' on 24 June 2005.

Now Divis can you explain to us all why the discrepancy in the dates - 14th November 1973 and 24th June 2005 - what took them so long Divis?

Can you also explain this rather twisted piece of logic that appears in this PIRA Apology that you seem to think is so noble:

"In a further statement, the IRA in Derry claimed to have carried out an operation against the British Army in retaliation for the death of Kathleen Feeney."

Now Divis explain to us all why and how an operation against the British Army was carried out in RETALIATION for a murder committed by the PIRA. The whole purpose of this statement is to apologise for that murder. The British soldiers on patrol could not possibly have killed Kathleen because they did not fire a single round. That added to the fact that in 1973 the British Army were using L1A1 SLR firing a 7.62mm round, the PIRA normally used US weapons, "their little Armalite's" firing a 5.56mm round, so it must have been fairly easy to work out who had done what at the autopsy.

Two years after her death an 18 year old was charged with her murder - note murder, which means that in this particular case the prosecution service believed that they had enough evidence to prove that Kathleen's killing was deliberate, not accidental. The youth was found Not Guilty as it could not be proved beyond reasonable doubt that he fired the shot that killed Kathleen. What was interesting was that the Judge was firmly of the opinion that the verdict was correct and that strong indications existed that Kathleen had been killed by another more experienced gunman - the killing was deliberate not accidental.

Point 4 Divis in 1973 who was the Officer Commanding the PIRA in Derry? From the fact file on Martin McGuinness we get - 1971-73 Officer - Commanding Derry Brigade PIRA. As the commanding officer of the IRA's Derry Brigade in the early 70's he personally fought countless gun battles with British soldiers and organised the destruction of the commercial centre of his native city. Of the city's 150 shops only 20 were left trading. One third of the 320 killed in Londonderry attributed to the troubles died in street clashes and gun battles during this period (54 of them members of HM Security Forces). I suppose that Kathleen Feeney was among the 266 non-HM Security Forces killed. Now what exactly had they done Divis? While the clamour is loud for enquiries into cases involving the Security Forces, most notable being the Bloody Sunday Inquiry concerning the deaths of 14 people. Where is the clamour for the Inquiry into the deaths of the 87 people that Martin McGuinness as Officer Commanding in Derry ordered, or sanctioned, to be executed?

As for thread drift Divis - not in the least - read the title - You and the rest of the murdering scum you appear to be so proud off always contended that they were "soldiers" didn't they? Still you, Ard, Den and the rest of your fellow travellers only ever look at one side.