Yes,GUEST Meg,I do want to enter some kind of encounter with deniers, have realised that online is not the place,don't think my hand is at all fully revealed by my Jewishness being known.

   That last point is because my questions belong to a pretty objective realm.

   i had originally asked where I might encounter deniers safely, and as McGrath has indicated,I don't think the deniers have a leg to stand on objectively. Thus,I'm in no hurry and feel no need to worry, to get into abuse (I'm in no way suggesting,Meg, that you or anyone has suggested any such thing - it's my very own invention), or feel any need to respond in the slightest to anything other than reasoned argument. Certainly not to anger or insult.


   Probably correct that discussion is more appropriate than debate. The idealist in me would say that it must be possible for changes of opinion through debate, otherwise it wouldn't look like real debate (to me), merely assertions and reassertions of immovable positions.

   "When I'm wrong,I change my mind. What do you do?" (Keynes)






       Ivor