GUEST, 20 Dec 06 - 05:18 AM

"Has Teribus finally lost the plot & now suffering from delusional fantasies?
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Now I see he is attacking the people of South West London ?"

You have been asked many, many times to provide one example of attacks against the people of South West London. Guess what GUEST, you have singularly failed to do so at each time of asking - it's certainly not me that's delusional - it's certainly not me that is fantasising - anything I have said in this thread can be backed up, which, oddly enough, is bourne out by the fact that none of what I have said has been challenged or repudiated. So much for me having, "deliberately manipulated intelligent debate to undermine other members by deception".

Divis Sweeney - 20 Dec 06 - 07:57 AM

"Regarding the facts and figures you throw at me from time to time, these bores the ass of most members."

I am sure that they do Divis. They also happen to be rather embarassing for your arguement don't they? Here's a recap just in case they'd slipped your mind -

British Security Forces - 362
Irish Security Forces - 5
Loyalist Paramilitaries - 1020
Republican Paramilitaries – 2056
Unknown/Unattributed – 80

Now tell us again just who it was that the PIRA were "protecting" Divis. Can you explain why the bulk of those killed by the PIRA were innocent civilians. Can you explain just exactly what was the tactical thinking behind the bombing campaign executed on Bloody Friday, and what the additional hoax bomb threat calls were supposed to achieve over that period of time on that day?. You certainly have a great deal to be proud of - I think not - Not a single member of the Provisional IRA EVER gave their life in order to save the life of a single civilian in Northern Ireland or elsewhere - I can give you numerous examples where members of the Police, Security Forces and Emergency Services did exactly that - And Yes Divis I am inordinately proud of them for doing so.

Divis Sweeney - 20 Dec 06 - 01:29 PM

"Regarding actions referred to here carried out by members of the Provisional IRA prior to the Good Friday Agreement,the British government will not be pursing them through the courts seeking custodial sentences. Legislation to drop prosecutions for offences committed before the signing of the Good Friday Agreement was introduced by the British Government.

These were agreed by the two governments during Weston Park talks. They agreed not to pursue the prosecutions of those involved in so called crimes committed before April 1998 (take that one up with your government)."

It would appear Divis that what is sauce for the Goose is not good enough for the Gander. Which is it to be?? If you want names put and responsibility established then it has to universal, it must apply right across the board. That won't happen of course because the leading lights of Sinn Fein would be accutely embarassed, to the point where they would have to step down for their involvement in certain things, no decent human being would want to be in the same room as them, let alone shake them by the hand, or look them in the eye. By the bye the GFA applies to crimes investigated, as previously stated cases such as the McConville case are still open as are the remaining 681 cases relating to the murders of HM Forces Personnel (Only 81 cases were actually ever investigated and the others reamin on the books)

Oh yes Divis, you never, ever did come back to provide justification for the killing of a British Servicemen in retaliation for the murder of Kathleen Feeney, a murder perpetrated by the PIRA - proud of that one too?

The PIRA were liars, thugs, extorsionists, drug dealers (DAAD actually stands for Deter All Alternative Dealers as opposed to Direct Action Against Drugs), murderers, dissemblers. Had the Official IRA line been followed in 1972 then over 3000 Irish men women and children would still be alive today.

Alison M - 21 Dec 06 - 03:13 PM

"Keith A, it is not all the IRA's fault. Loyalists/Unionists have killed plenty of innocent people and the British played a part in this too."

Alison the figures appear above, over two thirds of all who lost their lives did so deliberately at the hands of the PIRA/INLA. I have said so many times on this forum I have got absolutely nothing but complete and utter contempt for ALL the paramilitary groups who operated in Northern Ireland, and I vehemently object to and will counter the arguements put forward by anyone who attempts to excuse or glorify their actions.