OK then guys, you lost in Vietnam, the might and power of the United States of America got whupped good and proper, you were sent back home with your tails between your legs and the USSR laughed all the way to the bank. Now you tell me what will be the consequnces if you lose in Iraq, irrespective of who micromananages what, I will predict that the outcome will not be good for those of you who live in the good old US of A. Now convince me otherwise.