Mr. Miller, I am far from a "real folksinger," even in my own mind. However, it would seem that there are very few people out there that fit your definition. By saying that "real folksingers find our audiences in places that fanzines like SING OUT and, I fear, Mudcat tend to disregard. Most full time folksingers work in schools, from pre-school to university, in churches and synagogues, in libraries, in hospitals and hospices where the traditional music is used to train, to teach, to examine, to dance to, to heal, to pray, to comfort." That seems to exclude Mudcatters like Seamus Kennedy, who does concerts and pub performances for a living, (Alaska) Mike Campbell, who is a singer/songwriter with a day job and Art Thieme, Ron Olesko, Jerry Rasmussen and many others. Saying that you want to consult with full time pros, and then defining that term so rigidly, seems more than a bit elitist. Why not just say that you want to discuss issues of mutual interest with people who mostly gig at schools, nursing homes and so forth, and who try to do this as their primary occupation? Was it really your intention to start off by getting peoples' backs up?