I find that the civility over the past few weeks has improved. I think that is the result of three things:

1) An astute examination of things and a smart move on the part of management to rein in GUESTS, members and clones

2) An honest attempt on the part of members and many guests to change the course of things

3) The fact that posts which get nasty are deleted, PERIOD

To all of the above I say 'bravo', and keep it up.

Shambles, I asked you a bit back to give it a rest for a while to see how shit works out. Please do. It seems to be working out. You have made your point and you were seminal in getting stuff to change., IMO. There's and old maxim in sales: Once you've sold the car, stop selling it.

If you get barred/banned--whatever the term is--a number of people will leave with you. However, I will feel less inclined to do so in support of you if you keep harping on the past. Many years back I listened to "Let Your Love Flow" by the Bellamy Brothers for three days--about 60 times per day. Roger, I can't stand the fuckin' song anymore.

Also, I think that those of you who keep slagging Roger on the thread should give it a rest, too, because I can't stand that fuckin' song anymore, either.