hello Tia. Please see your post of 12 Jan. Looks like a sidestep.

   As for your own point there;yes,i think astrologers are quite capable of not being able to see flaws 'coe they all share them.Mind you,there is great difference within the astrological community,even to the level where a volume appeared in the late 70s by a couple of astrologers casting much doubt on much astrology. So astrologers,like scientists,don't present a water-tight,united front.

   Captain Ginger. Ignorance is no defence in this subject as in the law. Because I do not know something,it doesn't follow from that th't it doesn't exist.

Actually,there are businesses/corporations, share/stockholders and the like who use astrology. Many of them no doubt keep it quiet for fear of ridicule. And the mainstream media are not likely to report it if it proved favourable to astrology.


Science is no doubt good at dealing with people. it doesn't follow from that th't it is flaw-free, nor that there cannot be other methods that are good,too. i suspect science is best when dealing with the socialised aspects of people. When it comes to feelings,self-contradictions that humans are riven by,the spiritual side,the unconscious,the therapeutic needs and so forth, i'd wonder if the scientific method is the route to take.


lastly,I've resisted offering another way of understanding/relating to/conceiving of life,the universe and everything than the scientific one. There are loads of books on such matters. There is so much to show that every point of view is limited, that we don't have the answers to basic questions of living,that there is disagreement about practically everything (Mudcat threads demonstrate that with blinding clarity). And perhaps we're all here for different purposes - some to be scientists,others to be mystics,yet others to make things, some to be musicians etc.etc.

Therefore,I'll go with Bill D. on another thread,and agree to differ.

We are no more all of us ready or suitable for alternative metaphics than for understanding Einstein,Polynesian music or laying bricks. Those who want to study other knowledge than scientific (or AS WELL AS) will do,others won't.





If you read this far,I want to thank you just for that.






       ivor