First, while we may disagree on this issue, you are an awfully pleasant person to have a dsicussion with.

Isn't he just!!    :-)

Ivor, I've been admiring how you've handled this discussion. Wonderful! And most educational, for someone who comes by the full-speed-ahead-blow-em-all-away Aries-type approach just naturally.

I have Mercury as well as Sun in Aries -- a real quick, impulsive, and original thinker/communicator. And Mars (ruler of Aries) is exactly conjunct my MC. Right down to the very minute, no less. Its opposing Uranus, too. So I tend to take my ideas and thoughts and opinions very personally, as if they are ME. And if people take issue with my thoughts and opinions it feels like they are attacking ME -- which they are not of course, but it FEELS like they are -- so I get overly defensive/explosive and .... and ... (well, just see the Zodiac thread that went well over 1000 posts last year)

Now, I know that I am NOT my opinions. That is only logical -- of course I am not my opinions!!! I do know this, very well, in my head but emotionally?!?

HA!!   Still workin on it.... and I'm glad studying my own natal chart helped me to recognize and understand this about myself, too.

Anyways, way to go Ivor and please, keep it up!

daylia