Les, you know I don't live in Padstow, and Guest Pat you know that now as well. The songs? Ask someone who sings them, I sing my own songs. I'm an American and I sing American songs (or American versions of British songs). Anyone who has followed this thread knows that I do not claim this tradition as my own, that was never the point of my argument. As for crime, anyone who victimizes others - regardless of ethnicity, religion, age, gender or anything else - deserves to be arrested, tried and convicted. I'm willing to bet that my views on criminal justice are sterner than yours.