yup, Bunnahabhain, that's what I'm saying. And you're betting that the dramtics, dubious specific claims, and exaggerated magnitude estimates are to sex it up to gain the attention of the general public...

...and I'm agreeing, but saying that doesn't change the fact that they are dramtics, dubious specific claims, and exaggerated magnitude estimates -- not science.

And yet they are swallowed whole here by the same crowd that would laugh the same kind of dubious science -- offered from an opposing political pov -- right off the mudcat. And has done so often and arrogantly.

I mean, really, if you were discussing the topic on a more scientifically oriented website (not a folk music site) caould you really imagine...

"Planetologists believe that it started out to be much like earth, but the same volcanic activity that happened on earth in its early stages, combined with its proximity to the sun, precipitated Venus's current state, uninhabitable by any life-form anywhere near similar to life as we understand it.

That could be us sometime in the not too far distant future."

...not being laughed off the site? Really?