And of course, one of the ironies in this irony-infested topic, is that several nations in Western Europe are in fact already hardly contributing to the population problem at all--some are even barely replacing themselves. And within some countries what population growth there is is by people whom the "natives" of those countries consider little short of aliens.

In fact some people in Western Europe--and some in the US, I believe-- consider this very phenomenon Western Democracy's Achilles' Heel--to return to the topic.