Eddie: I've never heard this story but it sounds right. Stan was a friend of Lonnie's and was on some of his TV shows, singing and playing the guitar. Even accompanying himself it was evident that Stan was a useful player in the jazz vein. He played an archtop and used 9th chords- his playing was quite skilled. As Denny was freqently, er, off colour the story adds up. Roger: the Sundown guitar is a 00028. On several earlier photos I've noticed that Lonnie's pickguard was held on with sellotape. He presumably had new a new pickguard fitted and asked for an oversized one, perhaps to cover other wear. Seems the guitar was then relegated to be used as a spare, and presumably is still in the family. I don't have the Lost John EP, but it would make sense for Lonnie to get two 000s on his first visit to the USA while he had the chance because of course he didn't take a guitar with him (wasn't allowed to play one there- not because of his skill level but because of Musician's Union rules), and perhaps he thought he wouldn't be returning. If so it would be logical to get a 28 and a similar but less expensive one- a 21- to use as a spare- but my guess is that they were both new. Of course, if there are any pics of LD with a 000 dateable before his first USA visit then that blows a hole in that theory. Serious stuff, I'll try to do a bit more research into the herrinbone theory. That only leaves the 12-string, with two possible culprits as the maker. Keith thinks John Bailey, my money's still on Stan Francis. Are both characters still with us I wonder? Boy, people must be rivetted by this musn't they? Confusing having two current threads running by the way.